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Forum Organization and New Boards (SigmaNine2.0)
« on: 29 November, 2011, 04:08:50 PM »
Personal suggestion (and I know it'd be dickish to do) - bring back the large amount of boards. While I understand the condensing it down to 4 simplified it, it just feels waaaaay too empty now :( I quite liked being able to jump into each forum in a row, posting wherever I felt there was something to say.

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Re: Forum Organization and New Boards (SigmaNine2.0)
« Reply #1 on: 29 November, 2011, 06:27:28 PM »
Personal suggestion (and I know it'd be dickish to do) - bring back the large amount of boards. While I understand the condensing it down to 4 simplified it, it just feels waaaaay too empty now :( I quite liked being able to jump into each forum in a row, posting wherever I felt there was something to say.

Perhaps, but that would mean putting everything back into it's respective boards, I'm just not sure I have the time to pull that off >.< Busy bee you see d:

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Re: Forum Organization and New Boards (SigmaNine2.0)
« Reply #2 on: 29 November, 2011, 11:32:11 PM »
Personal suggestion (and I know it'd be dickish to do) - bring back the large amount of boards. While I understand the condensing it down to 4 simplified it, it just feels waaaaay too empty now :( I quite liked being able to jump into each forum in a row, posting wherever I felt there was something to say.
Seconded. I feel like there is no place to put certain topics.

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Re: Forum Organization and New Boards (SigmaNine2.0)
« Reply #3 on: 30 November, 2011, 06:26:30 AM »
Personal suggestion (and I know it'd be dickish to do) - bring back the large amount of boards. While I understand the condensing it down to 4 simplified it, it just feels waaaaay too empty now :( I quite liked being able to jump into each forum in a row, posting wherever I felt there was something to say.
Thirdeded.

Personal suggestion (and I know it'd be dickish to do) - bring back the large amount of boards. While I understand the condensing it down to 4 simplified it, it just feels waaaaay too empty now :( I quite liked being able to jump into each forum in a row, posting wherever I felt there was something to say.

Perhaps, but that would mean putting everything back into it's respective boards, I'm just not sure I have the time to pull that off >.< Busy bee you see d:
Could help you with that. 8o

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Re: Forum Organization and New Boards (SigmaNine2.0)
« Reply #4 on: 30 November, 2011, 05:23:24 PM »
The idea behind condensing the boards was to concentrate the activity.  The forums were dead already before the change, so more posts in fewer boards was intended to make things feel a bit busier... Obviously it didn't work, but I don't think the condensation was exactly the reason for the activity drop off.  Just something to consider.
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Re: Forum Organization and New Boards (SigmaNine2.0)
« Reply #5 on: 30 November, 2011, 11:53:16 PM »
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The idea behind condensing the boards was to concentrate the activity.  The forums were dead already before the change, so more posts in fewer boards was intended to make things feel a bit busier... Obviously it didn't work, but I don't think the condensation was exactly the reason for the activity drop off.  Just something to consider.
I agree with you somewhat. But what happened here is you took away pretty much every category, and left the forums with just four, two of which are strictly S9 related. Leaving members two categories to cram every single topic into.  Or maybe (this happened to me), decide not to make a topic because of it.

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Re: Forum Organization and New Boards (SigmaNine2.0)
« Reply #6 on: 01 December, 2011, 12:06:43 AM »
Well, there's nothing you could've posted then that can't be posted now.  All the categories are still accepted, they just don't have individual boards anymore.

I'm all for adding more boards if we can justify them, it's just before the reorganization we had separate boards for discussions of TV, Movies, and Music, which were really unnecessary and not contributing any new posts.

But if we're moving in new directions, maybe some more boards can find a place. It just depends on what they are.
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Re: Forum Organization and New Boards (SigmaNine2.0)
« Reply #7 on: 01 December, 2011, 12:19:10 AM »
As the site gets more active, the forums will just become less and less organized. Since the "Sigma Plaza" is basically the "throw every topic here" board, topics will just keep get pushed down and some will never be seen by others.

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Re: Forum Organization and New Boards (SigmaNine2.0)
« Reply #8 on: 01 December, 2011, 12:45:09 AM »
Right, it's just we don't have all those new people yet.

The size and organization of the forums reflects the conditions of the site; it doesn't create those conditions.  So, as the Plaza starts getting flooded with a certain type of topic, then we make a new board for it.  I just don't want us to run away creating new forums before there's a use for them.  We'd just go from being a ghost town to a ghost city. The better model would be a steadily expanding urban area, whose population increase is driven by living conditions, not acreage.

Games, competitions, and features are what we need to reach the point where changing the forums makes any kind of a difference. I'm not advocating we keep it like this forever. Just as long as it fits.
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Re: Forum Organization and New Boards (SigmaNine2.0)
« Reply #9 on: 01 December, 2011, 12:48:35 AM »
The question is how long will it stay like that. Are we going to wait until the site actually gets active and there are 100+ more topics to sort and organize?

I would rather make the jump from Ghost Town to Ghost City while waiting for members, rather than the jump that we did make, organized forum to one like YYGF.

EDIT: What I am trying to get at here is that you took the "less boards/categories make your site look more active" to the extreme.
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Re: Forum Organization and New Boards (SigmaNine2.0)
« Reply #10 on: 01 December, 2011, 01:11:50 AM »
There was no activity on any of those boards before I did that, though.  I condensed everything I could because that way what few thread still remain active would be given more attention because they're all in the same place.

If you want to make a new board ahead of time, you have to be able to anticipate what kind of board you'll need.  So, yes, it can be done, it just needs to be very well planned, and not get too far ahead of itself.

The old layout was very haphazard, and I want to avoid doing that again.  You can't just make a "Music Discussion" board, for example, on the assumption people will want to talk about music.  We used to have one, and no one used it.  The consequence of this is that the handful of legitimate topics in the music board, that might get a lot of attention on a busier board, are not looked at by a large number of people because "Oh, that's just the music board, nothing interesting ever happens there."

Basically, you make a board to fit a need, or, yes, in some cases to anticipate a very solid idea. But what we shouldn't do is say "we need more boards", and then try to think up new categories just to fill slots. The ideas are the driving factor, not quantity.

So, perhaps, with a rejuvenated focus on finishing games for the site, we could use a general "here's how my game's going, questions or comments?" sort of WIP forum, but the need for that might be questionable when there's the GMC. Or maybe a forum to be the social hub of S9-integrated games. But I remain opposed to resurrecting things like the medium-specific discussion boards.
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Re: Forum Organization and New Boards (SigmaNine2.0)
« Reply #11 on: 01 December, 2011, 02:38:44 AM »
And your really the only one who is really against re-creating them. I know we are trying to get new members but when is "smart"(not sure that is the right word) to go against what current members (especially ones who have been around since the start) want in order to try to please new members.

Yes, I understand ones that the Music, Movies, Books, etc. topics were getting no activity, but the site wasn't really either.

And there is no need for those topics. But for ones (like you said) related to game making, it would be nice to have a W.I.P. board. Hell, the Forums Games was nice to, it was the most active board for awhile. And don't even suggest creating those in the General Chat area because the Forums Games board had disabled post counts. Meaning that people wouldn't just play to get their posts up.

Introductions was great. First of all, an introduction thread could be hard to find for new members. Second, when members were creating their own topics, other members could welcome them to the forums. Where a big topic really isn't the place for everyone who wants to, welcomes a new member when they say they are here.  That is one of the things that I think made these forums feel like a community.

Gaming Discussion (for games we didn't make but like to play)? I mean this is a gaming community.

And as for the GMC, why should someone have to goto the GMC just to ask a question, where people will either ridicule them for their question being "stupid" and maybe asked several times before or maybe get no response at all, when there are plenty of people here (and why not all may be active right now, we will get some, and some will return) that can help.

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Re: Forum Organization and New Boards (SigmaNine2.0)
« Reply #12 on: 01 December, 2011, 03:23:22 AM »
Regarding Forum Games, at the time when I made these changes, I was fitting the forum to the smaller, "cozier" community S9 had become.  There wasn't really much talk about re-expansion, the Mafia games had died, and it didn't seem like there was much interest in that sort of thing.  Now that we're switching focus to designing for new users, then, yes, that might be something that needs to come back.  The only question there is, do we want it to be a place for Yoyo-style "count to a million" 'games', or is it for actual games that just happen to be play-by-post?

As for Introductions, the reason it no longer exists is basically the same.  We weren't really even getting new members at the time of the changes, and the ones that did stay around were few enough that they didn't need a whole welcoming ceremony, they could just jump right in.  If we want to do a new Introductions thing, perhaps it can start as a thread, and as membership picks up to the point where that actually does become unwieldy, then we'll consider a whole board.  Right now, it's a question of volume and clutter.  You're right in pointing out that having too many topics in a board, or too many posts in a topic, creates clutter.  But too many boards on the index creates a different type of clutter, and while we can afford more boards at the moment, we might not always be in that position.  Having a board for Introductions is nice, I understand, but we'll really have to consider whether something like that is worth the space of an entire board once it comes time that it's actually needed.

And the transition from Introductions Thread to Introductions Board would be a lot easier than some other transitions, because there's only one thread to be concerned with.

As for Gaming discussion, I don't know that it's different enough from General Discussion that we can't just put them both here?  That's the sort of area where I think the best strategy would be to wait until the need arises.  If we make a new board later on, we wouldn't have to move every topic, only the active ones, and it's not likely to reach ridiculous numbers before we decide the new board is necessary.

Finally, I wasn't definitely saying no to the WIP idea. While generally those sorts of topics don't get shouted down on the GMC unless the game is absolutely horrible (it's mostly technical topics that get the arrogant treatment in my experience), you do bring up some good points about it being silly to have to change boards for that. And I suppose we do have the advantage (for now anyway) of being small enough that WIPs here won't immediately be drowned out by dozens of other WIPs.

The only reason I mention the GMC is because the site as a whole needs to differentiate itself from similar sites to justify its own existence.  If the GMC is the same as us with more people, then what reason is there to come here instead of there? Which means we need to compete in "blue oceans," and not waste our energy trying outdo some things the GMC already does perfectly fine.  Now, you're right, on the particular issue of a WIP forum, it's probably not as important to be different, because there's good-different and bad-different, and cutting content we could actually support would be bad-different.  Having a unique identity is just something I think we should at least talk about in all areas of moving forward.  But I digress.
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Re: Forum Organization and New Boards (SigmaNine2.0)
« Reply #13 on: 01 December, 2011, 03:40:15 AM »
I know you weren't saying no to the WIP section. The GMC comment I made, I was referring to the game development questions, not WIP games. The GMC isn't really a community if you ask me. Too big to and not "sociable" (as in, the only thing that is really talked about there is Game Development) enough to be one.

I'm not trying to rip your idea of making the forums smaller than what they are, even though Im sure it sounds like it.

I haven't come out and really said it, but I will now:
How is it not the time now, to atleast add a few more boards to make it more organized, when it is being asked for.  You are really the only one who is opposed it. RC and I have even told Ben that we would help sort topics back into their correct boards if he decided to go that way.

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Re: Forum Organization and New Boards (SigmaNine2.0)
« Reply #14 on: 01 December, 2011, 03:44:02 AM »
I've been skimming this rather interesting back and forth all night. I support both views but havent the time tonight to really divulge my opinions and thoughts. Hopefully timing will arise tomorrow and I'll put in my 2 pence. It is going to be a long decision that requires careful planning no matter how we play it.